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Roggenforum.nl • Toon onderwerp - Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw
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Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: ma 07 nov 2016, 19:30
door oostijnoo
Begrijp ook niet goed waarom je een bak zou moeten logen nadat je met Epoxy aan de gang bent geweest.
Eens volledig uitgehard is Epoxy helemaal stabiel en laat het totaal geen stoffen vrij.
Ook het toevoegen van zout heeft dus geen enkele functie.

De bak met een doek en wat warm water even schoonmaken is meer dan voldoende.

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: ma 07 nov 2016, 19:31
door oostijnoo
@ Roland:
Niet om je af te zeiken hé... ;)
Respect voor je DIY projecten !

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: di 08 nov 2016, 13:29
door rolandijs
De manier waar ik het op gedaan heb is hoe Frank (mr. Boat) het mij uitgelegd heeft.

Ik heb eerst alle delen binnen en buitenzijde een laag gegeven daarna alles geschuurd omdat je vanwegen de haartjes van het hout die omhoog gaan staan, anders krijg je nooit een strak resultaat.
Daarna heb ik het bioloog deels in elkaar gezet met een combinatie van aerosil en epoxy verlijmd, daarna nat op nat lagen gegeven en op de bodem van de bak bevestigd dit omdat een bioloog van 15 cm breed niet te rollen valt daarna heb ik de rest in elkaar gezet en heb ik de bak nat op nat 3 lagen gegeven omdat ik hem daarna niet zwart genoeg vond heb ik de bak daarna 1 keer geschuurd met korrel 120 en een laatste laag epoxy gegeven.

Wat Frank zegt is, dat nat op nat de voordeligste manier is omdat je dan geen lagen er af schuurt.
Tussen de lagen schuren heeft niks met het eind resultaat te maken, als je korrel 120 schuurd geeft dat geen probleem met de hechting.

Ik ben bij Frank geweest voor dat ik begonnen was met de vorige bak en hij heeft het mij persoonlijk zo uitgelegd, eerst alles 1 laag daarna schuren en in elkaar zetten en daarna afwerken.


Ik heb ook geen problemen met de hechting, het slaat dof uit wat lijkt alsof het nog niet goed uitgehard is voor er water in ging.
Vanmiddag laat ik de bak leeg lopen en zal het bekijken en contakt met Frank opnemen of hij de oorzaak weet een wat het beste te doen.

De vorige bak heb ik op de zelfde wijze gemaakt zonder probleem.

Wat betreft het logen vind ik dat wel heel belangrijk, denk aan resten van schuurstof, de grote hoeveelheid kit die je gebruikt bij het plakken van de ruit die velen malen hoger is bij een glazen bak.
Daarbij kan je epoxy ook voor een zout water bak gebruiken dus het zout moet het prima kunnen hebben het bind alle chemicaliën en resten.
En het niet logen van een houten bak met epoxy heeft al een keer op dode vissen geduid.

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: di 08 nov 2016, 15:42
door oostijnoo
Ok...helder.
Dan heb je inderdaad de juiste werkwijze gevolgd. Vreemd van die verkleuringen dan.

Tja ...dat logen ...ik heb nooit dode vis gehad in de bakken.

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: di 08 nov 2016, 16:12
door rolandijs
Ik weet dat dit gebeurd als je er te vroeg water in doet heb het namelijk meegemaakt met een achterwand, ik had toen gehoord van iemand dat 2 dagen drogen lang zat was, maar er zitten nu al een aantal weken tussen :(

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: wo 09 nov 2016, 14:52
door oostijnoo
Balen en vooral zonde van al het werk.
Ga je nog op zoek naar een oplossing ?

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: do 10 nov 2016, 15:06
door Lode
In theorie hoef je niet te logen. In werkelijkheid is de mengverhouding en menging van epoxy en harder nooit perfect en heb je altijd kans op afgifte van giftige stoffen. Logen is zowat kostenloos en zou ik altijd aanraden :)

Al iets gehoord Roland?

Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: do 10 nov 2016, 17:19
door rolandijs
Ja ik heb Frank vanmiddag weer gesproken nadat ik had hem wat foto's gestuurd had, hij dacht in eerste instantie op amineblush, dat krijg je als het te vroeg in contact komt met water maar dat zou vettig aan moeten voelen en je moet het er met een schuurspons af kunnen halen, dat was het dus niet.
De oorzaak wat het wel was kon hij niet zeggen, had me werkwijze uitgelegd en daar lag het niet aan, eventueel niet goed vermengde epoxy of verkeerde verhouding was mijn gedachten maar dan zou het plakkerig moeten blijven en totaal niet uitharden.

De oorzaak had ik graag geweten, maar hij zij dat het beste is om het te schuren en er een nieuwe laag overheen te zetten en dan te kijken of het wel goed komt, dus dat ga ik nu doen.

Het kan geen kwaad voor de vissen dus ik doe alleen het zichtbaare opnieuw in het bioloog zit het bijna niet dus die sla ik over.

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Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: zo 13 nov 2016, 10:14
door rolandijs
De bak is nu helemaal geschuurd, heb nog wat epoxy van Frank mr boat gekregen.
Ga er nu 2 lagen epoxy op zetten de eerste laag met zwarte pigment en de tweede laag zonder ik hoop van zegen.

Volgende stap word botenlak als dit weer tot hetzelfde resultaat uitkomt.

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Re: Energie zuinige 120 X 0.50 X 0.50 zelfbouw

BerichtGeplaatst: vr 18 nov 2016, 21:39
door Lode
Netjes dat je gratis epoxy hebt gekregen :duim

Wanneer kan er nu wat in?